TCU to LV BOWL!

[P. Marf]

Dec 5, 2008 16:04:01 GMT -5 Ticket Mouse said:

Dec 5, 2008 14:54:45 GMT -5 fischer said:

if tcu didn't play in the Mountain West Conference their attendence would be better.

No one wants to see those schools play.

Play some people with regional and historical ties and people would go.

It wouldn't make a damn bit of difference. Rice had home games against UNT and SMU and the attendance was 168000 and 23000 accordingly. No thanks, we do better than that with SFA. They said that the game against UH had 35k but but I watched that game and there was nowhere near that many people.

Damn UNT drew 168,000??? Todd Dodge is a savior.

[cowtownmike]

you're too good for that low hanging fruit, craig.

[P. Marf]

True. I just never have a chance to bust him.

[cowtownmike]

good hustle anyway.

[Ticket Mouse]

My bad. Long week. There is no evidence to prove that people will give a damn any more about this kind of conference than they do about the current situation-MWC, CUSA, WAC, etc. This kind of conference would put FOUR private schools playing anually. That spells disaster.

[fischer]

it couldn't be any more awful than it is now.

Right now, tcu has the fewest interesting home games of any team in Texas.

[Ticket Mouse]

So...

SMU, UNT, Southern Miss, Army, Marshall, and Houston make your home game pants go crazy?

[fischer]

First off, I don't use gay verbage like that.


Second, absolutely. I would MUCH rather seen UNT and Houston than Wyoming or San Diego State. You are fooling yourself to think that wouldn't make a difference.

Most people would rather watch UNT, SMU, Houston, and Tulsa then Utah and BYU too. Myself included.

If TCU played Houston, I would go out of my way to try to find a ticket.
When they play Utah, I wouldn't go if I had free tickets and a parking pass.

[Ticket Mouse]

Fischer, you are retarded. You think more people would watch TCU and 1 win UNT than BCS-bound Utah and then-#9 ranked BYU? Pa-leez. The game wouldn't even be televised.

I have no interest in playing UH on an annual basis.

You wouldn't have to go out of your way. You could just walk up 30 minutes after kickoff and still buy a decent ticket. TCU would have 30-35k at home and UH would bring about 1000. If it were at Robertson Stadium UH would have 20k and TCU would have about 5k.

Houston. Give me a break. You act like it's some long-lost rivalry. UH didn't even start playing in the SWC until 1971 and didn't officially become a member until 1976. So at most they've played 29 times. I have no idea what the record is but it pales in comparison to the number of times they played SMU and Rice. Heck, UH and Rice have only played 33 times. UH hasn't even won a bowl since the Garden State bowl in 1980 and hasn't finished the season ranked since 1990. Give me Utah and BYU year in and year out.

Right now I don't care about regional rivalries. It does nothing to improve the quality of opponent. In fact, I wish they'd give the Iron Skillet game a rest every now and then. Between SMU and SFA, our strength of schedule was killed. Our conferense SOS is wha's helping us out with the BCS computers right now. I would be in favor of rotating between SMU, Rice, Houston but right now I have no desire to be in a conference with these teams. The highest Sagarin rating of any of those teams is Tulsa at 50. The MWC has 4 teams in the top 48 and TCU and Utah are 9 and 8 respectively. SMU and UNT are 156 and 182! You think we don't play anybody now; just look at what this conference would look like. At least the Sun Belt would be their bitch.

Rice has won 4 bowls in their history and none since the 1953 Cotton Bowl. SMU hasn't been to a bowl since '84 and half of their bowl wins EVER came from the cheating era. UNT somehow won the 2002 NO Bowl but we see how awful they are now. UTEP hasn't won a bowl since 1967. I will give Tulsa some credit but winning 3 of their last 5 bowls since 1991.

With the exception of San Diego State, every team in the MWC has gone to and won a bowl this decade including UTAH who has won 7 in a row, 8 of their last 9, and is going to their second BCS bowl since '04. The closest any of your wish-list conference has ever gotten or will ever get was Tulsa going undefeated through Halloween this year.

Yeah, it would be nice to have some opponents closer to home and I'm sure the players would like it as well but the quality of play would dramatically suffer and there is no evidence at all to indicate that game attendance would improve. TCU would have to carry the conference and that would mean we'd go back to playing Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday nights like we did with CUSA. No thanks. I'll pass.

[Ticket Mouse]

The LVB bitch was whining about our travel numbers and now they put out this:

from LV Bowl web site:

Sold Out Again In 2008!

Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl XVII To Be Played In Front Of Full House

LAS VEGAS - Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl XVII is already a sellout, the game's executive director, Tina Kunzer-Murphy, announced December 5.

Late this week, the bowl sold out of its allotment of tickets available to the public for a fourth consecutive year. The Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl, which is owned and operated by ESPN Regional Television (ERT), will take place on Saturday, Dec. 20, beginning at 5 p.m. PT, and be broadcast nationally on ESPN and ESPN HD.

Last year, Pioneer Las Vegas Bowl XVI attracted 40,712 fans to Sam Boyd Stadium, which was the second-largest crowd in the event's history and marked the game's third consecutive sellout.

This season's two participating teams will officially be announced on December 7 at 12 p.m. PT.

"The fact that every ticket to our game is sold for the fourth straight year is a testament to the fantastic support we receive from the community," Kunzer-Murphy said. "Fans and businesses already made sure to get their tickets for what will be another must-see event in Southern Nevada on December 20th."




GMAFB. They know good and well we would have sold out of our allotment. Why don't they just call it the BYU Bowl. I hope we never play in that bowl. I hope that in 2010 we go to UNLV and have one fan in the stands and win 80-0.

[fischer]

Wow, your level of ignorance has never been as high as it is now.

1.) NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH UTAH OR BYU. No one. The average TEXAN does not care what bowl they are going to or what they are ranked. Its Utah. Its BYU.

yes, I would rather watch UNT. I would rather watch Houston BY FAR. Maybe the reason you don't want to play Houston is because they are good and would beat the snot out of tcu if tcu would agree to play (which they will not). By the way, 29 times is a lot more than they have played any of their MWC foes. It IS an old conference rival. You are dead wrong on that point.

I understand that you don't care about regional rivalries. But more people around DFW would. I don't see why you can't understand that. Most people do.

Second, corporations and businesses buy all but the student allotment for all bowl games. Most all of them "sell out". See how much purple is in the stands before you start pounding your chest.

[Ticket Mouse]

Ok...let's see how the average Texan cares about these games:

Houston:
Tulsa: 20855
Utep: 18134


SMU@ home:
TSU: 22218
TCU: 30923 (at least half were in purple)
Tulsa: 15324
Houston: 18972

Rice @ home:
SMU: 23164
UNT: 16885
Houston: 35534 (a flat out lie)

Utep @ home:
NMSU: 42930 (Regional rival)
Rice: 30702
UCF: 33339
Tulane: 33121
SMU: 30271
UT: 53415 (most were TU t-shirt fans)
Utep actually does well with attendance 1) b/c it's the ONLY thing to do in town and 2) El Pasoans are notoriously cheap and will save up their money all year just to go to the games. You can see that they actually draw worse when they play smaller Texas teams.

UNT @ home:
Tulsa: 22785
UNT rarely has home games against Texas teams so here's some figures from years past:
@ SMU ('07): 20517
SMU ('06): 25213
@ Tulsa ('06): 22415
Tulsa ('o5): 23112

TCU:
SFA: 27074
Stanford: 25531 (Hurricane game)
SDSU: 30620
BYU: 36180 (Thursday night)
Wyoming: 30103
AFA: 32823

You're right-the average Texan doesn't care about Utah, BYU, Wyoming, etc. but the sure as hell don't care about UH, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, UTEP, or UNT. TCU may improve attendance on the road but home attendance wouldn't change a bit. The people that show up to TCU games don't give a damn about who we're playing (unless it's a B12 school)-they just care that we're winning. I guarantee you that if we start having average seasons like Rice, UH, Tulsa, or UTEP, our attendance would look like theirs. I don't know...maybe more people would care but the evidence shows that they wouldn't come to the games. Besides, who would show these games? ESPN+? No thanks. I can see the Frogs on TV 10 times a season for free as it is.

[fischer]

we have had this argument before.

It went just like its going now. Everyone but you sees it one way, and you see it the wrong way.

[Ticket Mouse]

So tell me where the evidence is to support your claim? The numbers don't lie. People don't care. We average 30000 against teams no one cares about. These Texas teams struggle to average 19000 against teams people supposedly care about.

[fischer]

The SWC.