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Post by fischer on Dec 2, 2008 14:16:09 GMT -5
Stubbs, do you not realize how weak your argument is when you are bragging about a team barely losing to another team? By the way, no one mentioned UVA.
That's pathetic.
All I am saying is that any one of those schools would beat every non BCS team if they played, with the exception of one or two utah or Boise wins (which wouldn't occur if Boise or Utah had to play more than one real opponent each year.)
Its not fair. You are wrong. The MWC has not and never will EARN a spot in the BCS. Not unless they play top tier talent for 7-8 games a year instead of once at the beginning.
So yeah, if you want to resort to moral victories and almosts, go ahead. That is what non bcs schools hang their hats on.
Facts (wins) are what BCS schools hang their hats on.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 2, 2008 15:13:29 GMT -5
Stubbs, do you not realize how weak your argument is when you are bragging about a team barely losing to another team? By the way, no one mentioned UVA. Looks to me like you did: The way the polls are set up is why people vote those crap schools in front of real schools. Georgia Tech would absolutley demolish any non BCS school. So would tceh, osu, Ole Miss, Va, Tech, Boston College, Clemson, Oregon, Oregon State and a host of other schools. But those schools aren't being considered for a BCS bowl. My point was that you said they'd demolish those teams. They didn't and I educated you on that point. So TCU doesn't hang their hat on their 6th 10-win season in the last nine years? Man, I guess we are spoiled fans... So, tell me, what does A&M hang their hat on this year? What does Mr. Sherman tell a youngster when he says they looked bad this year? Does he hang his hat on wins against Utah State, Army, and Arkansas State (oh, wait...that was a loss)? |
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Post by sully on Dec 2, 2008 15:40:08 GMT -5
I'm here, DB.
Just admiring these two for their persistence.
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Post by fischer on Dec 2, 2008 15:45:55 GMT -5
First off, that is a period (.) after the Va--as in Virginia Tech.
Second off, right now, any one of those teams would demolish those teams. They played them in glorified scrimmages with their real (conference) seasons yet to come.
TCU can hang its mid-major hat on their 10 win seasons. I bet the recruits are really impressed with wins over Colorado State and Wyoming. San Diego State...man what a win. But for tcu, yes its great. And if you would realize that's as good as it gets we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If they want to hang with the real schools, though, bragging about those victories just won't cut it. They get to brag about an upset in 05, one in 06, and a few "kept it respectables" which you love to brag about. Or my favorite: "if you take away the first quarter and the first series of the third quarter, we played right there with them."
Now, who ever said a word about A&M? Not me. That isn't what we are talking about.
But since you brought it up, I am sure that when Coach Sherman talks to a recruit he talks about playing in front of 88K+ at home games. I bet he mentions playing in a BCS conference, the Big 12. I bet he talks about facilities, playing on real t.v. channels, and how we have the potential to be national contenders if we get the right players to come play here. I bet he brings up the 19 conference championships, multiple cotton bowls, a sugar bowl, even the Holliday and Alamo Bowls. All of those are far more prestigious than any bowl TCU has been to in the last 30 years.
He might mention the twelth man, the loudest (arguable) stadium in the nation, the traditions. He probably brings up all the Aggies that play or have recently played in the NFL.
There are other things he probably brings up. Those are just a few.
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Post by cowtownmike on Dec 2, 2008 16:33:14 GMT -5
As far as the Sugar Bowl goes, how would TCU even be able to sniff that? Besides Ohio State, Boise State or even Ball State would be much more deserving than TCU.
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Post by cowtownmike on Dec 2, 2008 16:36:51 GMT -5
First off, that is a period (.) after the Va--as in Virginia Tech. Second off, right now, any one of those teams would demolish those teams. They played them in glorified scrimmages with their real (conference) seasons yet to come. TCU can hang its mid-major hat on their 10 win seasons. I bet the recruits are really impressed with wins over Colorado State and Wyoming. San Diego State...man what a win. But for tcu, yes its great. And if you would realize that's as good as it gets we wouldn't be having this conversation. If they want to hang with the real schools, though, bragging about those victories just won't cut it. They get to brag about an upset in 05, one in 06, and a few "kept it respectables" which you love to brag about. Or my favorite: "if you take away the first quarter and the first series of the third quarter, we played right there with them." Now, who ever said a word about A&M? Not me. That isn't what we are talking about. But since you brought it up, I am sure that when Coach Sherman talks to a recruit he talks about playing in front of 88K+ at home games. I bet he mentions playing in a BCS conference, the Big 12. I bet he talks about facilities, playing on real t.v. channels, and how we have the potential to be national contenders if we get the right players to come play here. I bet he brings up the 19 conference championships, multiple cotton bowls, a sugar bowl, even the Holliday and Alamo Bowls. All of those are far more prestigious than any bowl TCU has been to in the last 30 years. He might mention the twelth man, the loudest (arguable) stadium in the nation, the traditions. He probably brings up all the Aggies that play or have recently played in the NFL. There are other things he probably brings up. Those are just a few. That's gonna leave a mark. |
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Post by fischer on Dec 2, 2008 17:22:42 GMT -5
I was just saying...
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 2, 2008 19:00:08 GMT -5
First off, that is a period (.) after the Va--as in Virginia Tech. Go back and read it. It's a comma. GaTech's narrow victory over Gardner Webb came in their 6th game of the season-after 3 conference games and an OOC game against Mississippi St. VaTech's unimpressive win over WKU also came in their 6th game. Oregon State's loss to Utah was in October-AFTER two conference games (one against then #1 USC), an OOC game at PSU, and a home game against last year's BCS darling Hawaii. Oregon's loss to BSU came after they already played a conference game. I am hanging my hat on a 10 win season. I don't see what your point is. My thoughts about close games is that we're not as far off as you say or think we are. Those are all awesome things to tell a recruit but I thought you said big programs hang their hats on wins? FYI...A&M had two games on that unreal channel and another on a channel that even fewer people get or know about. TCU had 11 games televised. A&M 7. Not comparing the two. Just pointing out the facts. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 2, 2008 19:23:17 GMT -5
As far as the Sugar Bowl goes, how would TCU even be able to sniff that? Besides Ohio State, Boise State or even Ball State would be much more deserving than TCU. Mike, how can you say Ball State is more deserving when their biggest win came against the Big 11's worst team, Indiana? Boise and TCU are a push b/c 1) the WAC is awful and 2) TCU's losses came to top 10 teams. TCU can sniff it b/c they will finish in the top 12 of the BCS. Didn't say they'll go. Just said they'd get consideration. myespn.go.com/blogs/others/0-2-251/BCS-pool-reduced-to-18-teams.html |
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Post by fischer on Dec 3, 2008 8:04:18 GMT -5
Sorry about the comma, I meant it to be a period.
You also made my argument for me. Look at who else OSU had to play prior to and after their game with Boise St. Then look at Boise State's schedule.
NO ONE SAID A&M IS GOOD! Get that through your head. Do you not see the difference here? A&M is terrible and we know it. TCU is a good mid major and thinks they are a big time program. They are not. They never will be. No one from A&M was shouting that we should go to the Sugar Bowl when we went 9-3 a couple of years ago and beat texas. We were WAY better than tcu is this year. We beat the defending national champion and "played very close" with tech, ou, and nebraska. All of those losses by a combined 6 points. We knew we didn't deserve to be there because we didn't win all of the big games. TCU hasn't won a SINGLE big game and they all want to be handed an invitation to a BCS game. Its a joke.
Like I said, you can hang your hat on your 10 wins against mid major opponents (not one against a big time opponent this year).
But if you want to be considered among the big boys in College Football, you need to beat a few of them, and not just upset one every decade.
Does this not make sense to you?
Also, Boise>>>>>tcu. I don't see how you can compare the two. TCU got blown out by the only big time team they played, then lost to another mid major. Boise at least beat everyone on their schedule.
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Post by cowtownmike on Dec 3, 2008 8:23:58 GMT -5
As far as the Sugar Bowl goes, how would TCU even be able to sniff that? Besides Ohio State, Boise State or even Ball State would be much more deserving than TCU. Mike, how can you say Ball State is more deserving when their biggest win came against the Big 11's worst team, Indiana? Boise and TCU are a push b/c 1) the WAC is awful and 2) TCU's losses came to top 10 teams. TCU can sniff it b/c they will finish in the top 12 of the BCS. Didn't say they'll go. Just said they'd get consideration. myespn.go.com/blogs/others/0-2-251/BCS-pool-reduced-to-18-teams.htmlBoth carry the mystique of being undefeated teams from mid-major conferences. TCU is a 2 loss team from the same type of conference. WAC=MAC=MWC in the minds of 90% of football fans. |
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Post by fischer on Dec 3, 2008 8:34:51 GMT -5
agreed.
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Post by The River Assassin on Dec 3, 2008 11:05:41 GMT -5
If they want to hang with the real schools, though, bragging about those victories just won't cut it. They get to brag about an upset in 05, one in 06, and a few "kept it respectables" which you love to brag about. Or my favorite: "if you take away the first quarter and the first series of the third quarter, we played right there with them." Greatness, pure greatness. |
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Post by fischer on Dec 3, 2008 11:09:27 GMT -5
It must have been smiteworthy.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 3, 2008 14:56:00 GMT -5
You also made my argument for me. Look at who else OSU had to play prior to and after their game with Boise St. Then look at Boise State's schedule. You're argument was that they played before the conference season. Now it's who they played before and after. Make up your mind woman! I know. I was just grouping them into the big time program category. I don't know about you but I still think of them as big time despite their recent woes. Yeah, and that mid major is #6 in the nation-exactly where TCU would be had a kicker made a couple chip shots. How can you not compare the two? You're making a horrible arguement. Their schedule is way weaker than TCU's. Idaho? Idaho State? Give me a break. TCU would go undefeated with that schedule too. A&M would have at most 1 loss. Boise's SOS is 76. TCU 43. |
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