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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 20, 2011 14:49:09 GMT -5
I think 2 would have to move. Auburn probably won't care much but getting a second to go would be difficult. But hold the phone! T. Boone says A&M isn't gone yet: newsok.com/article/3605929?custom_click=breaking_newsIn other news, the Big East is meeting tonight in NYC. Villanova is expected to make another pitch to be added as a football member... |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 20, 2011 14:53:51 GMT -5
And about Mizzou...what exactly do they bring? Been listening to Paul Finebaum and it appears that everyone in SEC country is scratching their heads.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 20, 2011 16:02:19 GMT -5
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 20, 2011 17:42:31 GMT -5
ECU applied to the Big East and they were targeting Navy and AFA when Pitt and SU did their little thing.
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Post by fischer on Sept 20, 2011 21:59:15 GMT -5
Ags are gone. That's all I care about.
I am sorry that your school is not attractive to another conference, but facts indicate that its not. The truth is, no one cares about tcu outside of the metroplex and they offer nothing to a big conference that already has a Texas presence. Its just the way things are. Hopefully they'll be added to tu's joke of a conference that is set up just to serve their interests. Other than that, maybe the Big East will stay together and bribe someone for an AQ status in the BCS.
If not, maybe the MWC will take them back. They have a great thing going there.
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Post by fischer on Sept 20, 2011 22:05:00 GMT -5
the only adjustment to the divisions should Mizzou join, would probably be Auburn to the East. They would then play Alabama as their yearly cross division game.
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Post by P. Marf on Sept 21, 2011 8:25:07 GMT -5
I can see TCU getting an offer from the Big 12 now, just so they can start trying to save the conference. They are going to have to start getting some teams in here if they want it to survive. I just don't think they are going to have many schools that want in this mess...... but I bet TCU would.
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Post by fischer on Sept 21, 2011 8:56:36 GMT -5
tcu would.
But the Big 12 is going to look at BYU (who'll probably turn them down), Louisville, Cincinnatti, West Virginia, and a few others before defaulting to tcu.
Also, they are only going to add one school. If they add 3 they would have to split their revenue up 12 ways and everyone would make less money. Adding tcu or louisville or cincinnatti is not grounds to renegotiate the tv contracts.
The conference is an absolute joke.
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Post by P. Marf on Sept 21, 2011 9:20:32 GMT -5
That's what I am saying. They may offer it to others before TCU but no one will want to come to this mess. TCU would. I also think they will had more than just 1 team, or at least try. A 10 team "Big 12" that is already unstable will not last long when all the other conferences are trying to improve and get bigger. Its safe to say that losing Colorado, Nebraska, and Texas A&M while only adding a team like TCU is a major downgrade. The Big 12 is like an 8 year old's bike with a wobbly front wheel. I don't buy all these reports this morning that say the Big 12 will stick together. AS we have learned from past "breaking news" about conference realignment, most reports are BS.
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Post by fischer on Sept 21, 2011 9:35:33 GMT -5
I don't think the other 10 schools are going to want to take less money to add 2 more undesirable teams. It just doesn't make sense.
They will probably stay at 10 until their tv contracts are up, then maybe expand to 12. But it might all be dead by then.
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Post by P. Marf on Sept 21, 2011 9:57:55 GMT -5
Well then I don't wee why they would want to stay in this conference if they know all they can get is two undesirable teams when everyone else is improving. For this conference to stay alive they need to find some way to get more than 10 teams.
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Post by fischer on Sept 21, 2011 10:02:28 GMT -5
The only ones who want to be in the Big 12 are baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and texas.
The first 5 are just glad to be in a BCS conference, and the last one gets to control everyone else and have an easy path to the BCS game.
OU, OSU, tceh, and Mizzou would be gone in a second if they had anywhere to go but as of right now, they don't.
There is no chance of attracting a desireable team with a legit football program. None of them are going to chance their current BCS status to go follow texas and join a league that will die at texas' first chance to get their network into a better league.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 21, 2011 11:31:22 GMT -5
The B12 HAS to get to 12 and if it's really serious about staying together they'd get to 14. Otherwise this is all a big lie.
First off, BYU would be the #1 choice. That's a given. But would the prudence of the Moromons allow them to be mixed in with a bunch of money-hungry nutbags?
TCU makes 100% more sense than Cincy, WVU, or LV. Do you really think those three as a whole will draw better TV numbers in conference games than TCU? LV/KSU or TCU/KSU? In an otherwise boring matchup which one are people going to watch? People will tune in in good numbers to see WVU and OU but wouldn't more people be intrigued to see TCU and OU? Like I said yesterday, fan bases don't matter as much as actual TV viewers. If that were the case Arizona State would be on TV every week. Most college football fans in DFW do not have anything more than a t-shirt allegiance. They just want to see good football.
TCU has made a commitment to excellence in athletics. They have a new football stadium being built. They have a baseball field that is less than 8 years old and has already undergone two renovations with a third planned. They have plans to tear down and rebuilt the basketball arena. The women's basketball team has missed the tourney twice in the last ten years. They have a new track facility. They excell in golf and tennis. Heck, I even found myself watching volleyball last night because they started off 13-0 and were playing UT. There was a time just a few years ago when they didn't win 13 matches in 5 years. They have national championships in rifle and equestrian. You name the sport TCU is committed to excellence. And all this has been done with very little TV and bowl money. Maybe that's what the Big IX is scared of? What will TCU do with an extra infusion of $15M a year?
If academics are at all important TCU is the choice. WVU and LV both rank 164 in the 2011 list of colleges and universities. That wold rank them dead last in the Big IX. Even the SEC who has never stressed academics until the last 5 years didn't want WVU b/c of their rating. They would have been dead last as well. Cincy is 143, near the bottom of the Big IX. TCU is 97.
The Bible says "where there is no vision the people will perish." TCU has a man with a vision. They have a people who have bought in; and, more importantly, they have players and coaches who believe. These aren't the cockroaches of TCU anymore. Texas wants TCU to be Baylor. They aren't Baylor. And that's why they're afraid of.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 21, 2011 11:39:10 GMT -5
The only ones who want to be in the Big 12 are baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and texas. The first 5 are just glad to be in a BCS conference, and the last one gets to control everyone else and have an easy path to the BCS game. OU, OSU, tceh, and Mizzou would be gone in a second if they had anywhere to go but as of right now, they don't. There is no chance of attracting a desireable team with a legit football program. None of them are going to chance their current BCS status to go follow texas and join a league that will die at texas' first chance to get their network into a better league. I don't think UT and OU have any more options. They've burned the bridge with the Pac. They snubbed them last year and put on this grotesque charade this year. The Pac is done. The BIG 10 doesn't want them. The ACC was used as a bargaining chip all along, driven by ESPIN. OU's only shot is to go to the SEC. Texas's only option is independance. But even then, where do they land for their other sports? The Big XII won't have them. The Southland? Sunbelt? The Big XII always was and always will be Texas's only option. The only option for the northern teams (except Mizzou) is for the Big East stay with the current 7 and add those three along with Navy and one other. Bottom line...this whole thing is a result of everyone letting ESPIN become the dictator it has become. ESPIN will kill everything good about sports. |
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Post by fischer on Sept 21, 2011 12:15:30 GMT -5
I completely disagree with you on tcu's ability to get people to watch.
Outside of the metroplex no one pays any attention to them.
Boise is far more attractive nationally than TCU, and they haven't been extended an invitation to a major conference.
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