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Post by fischer on Sept 23, 2011 7:05:04 GMT -5
haha, I wasn't hating on him for saying that they want TCU. I was hating on him because he's such a big blow hard for tcu that he doesn't realize why they are about 5th on the list to join a horrible conference. They just don't add any value.
The reason the Big 12 is looking at TCU is because their top choices balked at the idea of joining them. I've said all along that is a possibility. I didn't really think it would happen, because I think Houston is a much smarter choice for the big 12. Personally, I am glad they aren't going after Houston right now.
Actually, I am starting to think I was completely wrong. Because if you read that article that Chip Brown wrote, it is pretty much dead on with what I have been saying. Almost exactly. And the next thing Chip Brown writes that is accurate will be his first.
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Post by P. Marf on Sept 23, 2011 8:29:04 GMT -5
I know how you feel. I hate it when I hear that I have the same opinion as Skip Bayless. Then I start to question myself.
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Post by fischer on Sept 23, 2011 8:31:12 GMT -5
Its a gross feeling.
Here is an article in the DMN this morning. It outlines why NO team with any real hand to play is going to move to the Big 12. Thus, TCU might have a chance to join. Don't kid yourself. Its not because TCU offers more than anyone else. Its because they are the only ones willing to sell their soul to tu to be in an AQ conference. Better get some knee pads, tcu.
By Michael Landauer/Editor
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10:15 AM on Thu., Sep. 22, 2011 | Permalink
I got a lot of groans yesterday when we were discussing today's editorial about the Big 12. Specifically, I said that the Pac-12 decision validated A&M's recent moves. "We're not going there," was the overall reply.
But why not? Here's what I mean. A&M saw that the current conference is unsustainable because of the Longhorn Network. The decision to leave was not borne of some "second school" envy or frustration. It was a preemptive move designed to protect A&M's interests. The school did not want to be in a position where it was locked into a relationship with Texas, which has a network that will compete directly with the conference's own broadcast partners. But now that the Pac-12 has said it doesn't want UT or the Longhorn Network, that's exactly where OU, OSU and Tech are -- locked in with UT. Pac-12 doesn't want them without Texas. But the Pac-12 doesn't want Texas with the Longhorn Network. Want to try to strike a deal with the Big East? You'll see the same result. Want to recruit a 10th member? You have to find someone willing to hitch their car to the Longhorn train. Sure, you can change conductors (see ya, Beeebe) but it's still the Longhorn Express.
The other top-tier Big 12 schools know it. UT knows it. So they are trying to arrange a way to stick together until one or all of them has a better escape plan.
This isn't a marriage saved. This is the cheesy scene from a movie where they draw a line down the center of the house and try to live under the same roof even though the relationship is over.
A&M is in a far better position, having packed up its stuff and left. The howling critics are probably starting to see that now.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 23, 2011 10:51:06 GMT -5
I never said they add any value similar to what A&M, Tech, OU, OSU, and maybe even Baylor brings. I'm comparing them to who is left. BYU is their #1 choice-I've admitted as much.
I've known all along UT doesn't want TCU. DeLoss hates us. UT hates us. We're cockroaches to them. Why do you think they were so butthurt when the baseball team celebrated on their precious uterus a few years ago? UT cares about UT and bringing in TCU is a threat, albeit small, to their fragile egos that believes any person of sound mind and body should worship the sacred orange cow.
The leftovers are LV, WVU, Cincy, and TCU. USF, I believe, isn't even in the picture. The northern schools are gaining some power. Do their fans want to go to Kentucky or Fort Worth? Do they want to coordinate some recruiting visits to West Virginia or Texas? Those are all three dying markets. Kentucky and Ohio have unemployment rates over 9%. Those are small markets that are steadily losing people. You've got to have some foresight as to what these areas may look like in 5-10 years.
Texas and TT don't want TCU b/c of competition. The other schools don't want to go to turdbucket towns. But if there is one overriding reason to support TCU is would be to piss off those rats in Austin.
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Post by The River Assassin on Sept 23, 2011 11:03:29 GMT -5
The Big 12 just doesn't have any options right now. There isn't a single team the caliber of Nebraska, Colorado, or A&M that wants to join texas on their sinking ship. I've run this over several times in my head and I just don't see any way the Big 12 can continue to be a top notch league.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 23, 2011 11:31:30 GMT -5
I can guarantee you that if TCU gets in it will decline because everyone knows TCU a conference killer. We're just here for the ride...and in 6 years we'll find somewhere else to go.
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Post by sully on Sept 26, 2011 16:06:56 GMT -5
I'm glad this is finally happening.
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Post by fischer on Sept 27, 2011 19:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Sept 30, 2011 12:47:55 GMT -5
Rumor mills are really picking up with several credible media people saying that the talks of a Big East exodus are very strong.
Many are saying unnamed sources tell them that TCU is now the #1 target. Now before Fischer gets his grannies in a wad, even I know it's not b/c they are the most attractive. I've read in several places that BYU is very resistant and TCU is more or less being used as a bargaining chip. Word out of Provo is that BYU is more open to accepting an invite with the Frogs already a member. They are strange bed fellows and the relationship they've struck is quite odd but the two did have each other's back in MWC dealings and BYU, depending on who you believe, the Cougs got the ball rolling to take TCU from CUSA.
Another positive for TCU is that they are not bound by the 27-month notice that the other Big East teams must give. It appears that they will still be required to pay the 5M exit fee but they can begin in the B12 next year. Also, it can be assumed from what I've read that BYU wants to be independant for at least one more year.
Finally, many people are reporting that the B12 could soon make an offer to LV, Cincy, and WVU. If BYU accepts that will give them 14...the Big 14 I noted that they copyrighted several years ago. Missouri is still a wild card. They have sworn allegiance to the B12 but that could change any day as sources within the SEC have said they will go to 14 sooner than later. If Missouri leaves then look for the B12 to go after Air Force or Boise State. At that point I wouldn't mind either one but I've really come to appreciate what AFA does and if they were to get into a BCS conference I think they could be very good.
My only worry in this is that the conference is still pretty bottom heavy in the South. I think in a 14 team league without Missou you could see one of the Oklahoma schools go to the North but the Bedlam Series could be preserved.
That's a pretty salty league and I think it would keep the B14 behind only the SEC in strength. It would be a pretty good basketball league as well. The conference is strengthened and would still be in good shape if it were to ever lose any members-which, after the display UT and OU put on over the last few months, I don't see happening.
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Post by fischer on Sept 30, 2011 13:39:48 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you said... BYU wants tcu from what I've heard.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Oct 4, 2011 11:16:20 GMT -5
Big East is said to now be targeting, in addition to Army and Navy (AFA is no longer a target), ECU, UCF, and SMU. SMU. They've had 2 winning seasons in 20 years and suddenly they're a target for a BCS conference? God help us if we end up staying in the BE. There's certainly no chance the league will maintain it's auto-bid in a conference made up of those teams. It will be CUSA2.
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Post by sully on Oct 4, 2011 11:39:11 GMT -5
God help us if we end up staying in the BE. No kidding. That would add to the suck of getting pounded around by SMU, as a conference foe. |
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Post by sully on Oct 4, 2011 11:39:34 GMT -5
I'd bet SMU is that back-up if TCU bolts to a better offer.
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Post by P. Marf on Oct 4, 2011 12:34:27 GMT -5
God help us if we end up staying in the BE. No kidding. That would add to the suck of getting pounded around by SMU, as a conference foe. POW! |
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Post by fischer on Oct 4, 2011 12:42:29 GMT -5
Bad week to talk smack about SMU, stubbs.
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