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Post by P. Marf on Feb 25, 2010 13:10:47 GMT -5
It is all quite interesting.
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Post by fischer on Feb 25, 2010 13:37:33 GMT -5
oh, I think they were/are considering it very seriously.
the big 11 makes a whole lot more money than the big 12 and money is all that matters.
I don't think tu considers it ideal, but if the price is right, they will join any conference.
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Post by sully on Feb 25, 2010 14:49:35 GMT -5
What if the Sun Belt ponied up the funds to make the price right?
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Post by The River Assassin on Feb 25, 2010 15:07:10 GMT -5
the big 11 makes a whole lot more money than the big 12 and money is all that matters. This is why I don't think it work. For schools like tu and tOSU travel costs for non revenue sports isn't really that big of a concern because of how much money the revenue sports generate. But for schools like Indiana, Mich. St. etc. the travel costs for all women's sports and most men's sports would seriously put a hurt on the pocket book. |
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Post by fischer on Feb 25, 2010 19:09:50 GMT -5
I see what you are saying finch but those sports don't drive the decision making. Football does.
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Post by The River Assassin on Feb 25, 2010 23:19:36 GMT -5
I agree, but the tu football program probably makes more than three or four big ten schools put together. I am too lazy to look it up but I'm willing to bet the only schools that come close are tOSU, PSU, Mich, and maybe Wisconsin. Most of those other schools have to take that kind of stuff in to account. They don't have the luxury of just making their decisions around football.
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Post by The River Assassin on Feb 25, 2010 23:26:12 GMT -5
You also have to factor in Title IX. Big ten women have Rowing and Field Hockey, two sports that tu women don't. What is the cost going to be to start these sports from scratch? What two sports are they going to drop? If they don't drop any how much extra money from football are they willing to commit.
I'm not saying this couldn't ever happen, but the logistics just don't seem to fit.
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Post by fischer on Feb 26, 2010 8:27:04 GMT -5
The Big 11 is a revenue sharing conference, meaning that tu money would go to those other schools and everyone would get richer. tu would STILL make more money, which shows how bad the Big 12 is.
Title IX has nothing to do with it. tu doesn't have to start any more sports or drop any more. Title IX states that women at any given institution have to have an equal oppurtunity to participate in athletics as men do. If tu is already Title IX comliant, then they would still be Title IX compliant if they bolted for the Big 11.
Like I said, I think tu is trying to put some pressure on either the Big 12 or the Pac 10 to do something. Either that, or they are testing the waters to see if it would be profitable for them to start there own t.v. network, which is what I have heard they've been talking about for a while.
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 26, 2010 9:24:36 GMT -5
Would tu gather up all the roller hockey kids in order to compete in big 11 hockey?
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Post by The River Assassin on Feb 26, 2010 11:32:39 GMT -5
The Big 11 is a revenue sharing conference, meaning that tu money would go to those other schools and everyone would get richer. tu would STILL make more money, which shows how bad the Big 12 is. Title IX has nothing to do with it. tu doesn't have to start any more sports or drop any more. Title IX states that women at any given institution have to have an equal oppurtunity to participate in athletics as men do. If tu is already Title IX comliant, then they would still be Title IX compliant if they bolted for the Big 11. Revenue sharing how? If it's just tv money then the have not's of the big ten don't stand to make anymore than they do now. If it's overall revenue sharing, which I don't think it is, then yes that makes sense. I highly doubt that one of the most successful athletic departments in the country is going to be happy not competing in several conference sports. The big ten has men's soccer, a sport I know tu has a club team for and would probably want a varsity team for if given the chance. But the second they add a men's sport they will have to add a women's. I'm not saying that is a deal breaker, but it is something that has to be considered when making a change like this. That is why I think this whole fiasco is nothing more than media hype and tu trying to flex it's muscles. When you really look at the overall picture it just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. |
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Post by fischer on Feb 26, 2010 14:23:54 GMT -5
The big 11 shares more than just tv revenue. They don't just split tu's money amongst members but they would get other money that tu makes. they explained it the other day on the radio, so I don't have any links.
Also, tu doesn't have to compete in any other sports. Colorado and ISU don't have baseball teams.
But, if they wanted mens kickball, then there would be no trouble adding a women's sport to compensate for that. Its all donation driven anyways.
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Post by The Real Doyle on Mar 3, 2010 13:58:46 GMT -5
Why does Finch have to talk about the Big 10 like they're division II or something. I understand tu is a big dog but the Big 10 is not the sunbelt.
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Post by P. Marf on Mar 3, 2010 14:22:17 GMT -5
Meh
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Post by fischer on Mar 3, 2010 14:46:34 GMT -5
the big 10 is a very bad football conference, and its boring to boot.
Sorry doyle.
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Post by The River Assassin on Mar 3, 2010 15:19:39 GMT -5
When was the last time the big 10 won a NC in football, basketball, or baseball? 15-20 years ago they were in the same class as the SEC, now they are the fourth or fifth ranked conference.
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