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Post by cowtownmike on Nov 9, 2007 19:30:55 GMT -5
Got to disagree with you Coach on the field condition. Teams routinely tailor the field to their strengths. If you rely on speed you want a fast track (either artificial turf or you mow that grass as low as possible). To combat a fast team you grow that grass high and wet that field down as much as you can get away with. Common practice...teams do it all the time.
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Post by P. Marf on Nov 9, 2007 19:54:45 GMT -5
I think he was just refering to that specific play and the effect the grass had on it, not the whole game, cause then I would have to say you are quite right.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 9, 2007 19:58:25 GMT -5
And that's exactly what BYU did. They had a tarp over the field for three days so the freeze wouldn't "hurt" the grass. It left the field a mess and then 4 hours before the game they were out there flooding it again. They wanted to take away TCU's speed. Why do you think BYU's white boys were able to get behind TCU's DBs? It's not because they're faster. They're more physical and to use that to their advantage they took away TCU's speed. BYU's defense was too fast for TCU to try to use the option in a short yardage situation. I'm not trashing the option. When run well, I love it. On xbox I use it almost exclusively...especially to the short side...but this isn't xbox, playstation, or even pop warner football. In fact, they ran it one first and second down a few times and it worked well...but the three times they ran it on 3rd and short resulted in a Derek Wash punt. Fischer, you've about beat my credibility into the ground. We get it. No one has as much credit as you do. None of us have ever coached and no one's daddy was a coach. No one else grew up around the game. I get it. We all get it. But that doesn't make us completely ignorant. If I was completely ignorant about the game it would be like watching soccer. I can't go out there and call a great first down play (which Schultz had several of them last night) but in a situation that is about as cut and dry as a play can be, I'm not totally ignorant. In fact, there was one situation on 3rd and 2 and they run a sneak that fell about 3 inches short...so on 4th and inches they run a delay. What the hell is the reasoning for that? The OL busts through the line and tackle the ball-carrier for a loss of two yards.
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Post by fischer on Nov 10, 2007 1:48:49 GMT -5
Who gives a crap what my dad did for a living? You bring that up every time you make a stupid ass comment. That has nothing to do with anything.
Now, about the fields...I am talking about on a third down option play. But, I do think that people blow that way out of proportion, at least the grass length. Its all relative. My 4.5 goes to a 4.6 on a long field, but your 5.4 goes to a 5.5 or worse. Now water is a different matter altogether. That can cause slipping problems.
Stubbs, if you are not completely ignorant on what to run, then quit using reasons TO run a play as your reasons to NOT run the play. Thats what kills your argument, not the fact that your dad was not a coach.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 10, 2007 9:37:38 GMT -5
I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say there.
I just wonder if you'd be a sports bully if anyone else was trying to make this argument. The water was a big issue. There were guys slipping all over the place. A BYU player old enough to be my father was screaming like a baby on the sidelines after he twisted his knee.
Anyway, I'm not the only one questioning the play call. The color guy, Glenn Parker, a 12 YEAR NFL VET, was wondering what TCU was doing. He said that they've about run the SSO into the ground and that when 65000 fans and 100+ people on the sidelines know its coming, its time to change a few things up. I was listening to the radio guys and TCU's color guy, a 4-year letterman and a guy who has been calling football games for almost 20 years, even said it was like he was at Veteran's Stadium and Barry Switzer was calling the plays. I understand your point about the call being made at the line but TCU is in love with the SSO and EVERYONE knows its coming. My only beaf is the 3rd down option call. They ran it on 2nd and 8 and gained 11 yards. Another time it was on 1st down and they gained 7. That was a shocker. An option call on something other than 3rd and short...what an amazing idea!!! TCU just doesn't have the personnel to be running east and west on a consistent basis. The fact is that it just doesn't work for this team and if the OC won't change his philosophy then maye a change at OC is in order. I can't tell you what call they should have made but I can tell you what should NOT be called in this particular situation. They look like Nebraska trying to run the option on Miami in the 2001 championship game. Its just pathetic.
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Post by fischer on Nov 10, 2007 10:09:01 GMT -5
I have said at least 10 times that I don't know if the call was right or not, and there is NOTHING wrong with questioning it or not agreeing with it.
I have also said at least 10 times that there is never a SSO call. I don't see why you can't understand that.
Another thing that's been said ten times: you repeatedly call the guy stupid and a dumbass, and your reasoning for calling him out is that BYU's linemen were bigger, faster, stronger. Those are ALL reasons that someone WOULD run a play like the option. It probably wasn't a good call. But my point is, you really don't know why it wasn't a good call, because YOUR reasoning is probably the very reasoning that the OC was using to run the play.
I never claimed to know everything about the game, I don't know much at all, but I know a bunch of coaches and I know that they don't just make decisions for no reason. Their reasoning isn't always right, but there is always a reason. I know more than to call one a dumbass when I am uneducated on the matter.
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Post by cowtownmike on Nov 10, 2007 10:59:47 GMT -5
BYU's linemen were bigger, faster, stronger. Those are ALL reasons that someone WOULD run a play like the option. It probably wasn't a good call. . Exactly. Let's see BYU's linemen were bigger, stronger, AND faster? I think I see why TCU lost. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 10, 2007 11:06:37 GMT -5
My point is that when its wet, the grass is longer than the lawn on a condemned house in Stop 6, and you have a power back that proved the week before that he is not afraid to lower his shoulders and pound the ball, why call an option (shortside, longside, burnside, whateverside) when you need two feet?
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Post by cowtownmike on Nov 10, 2007 11:13:34 GMT -5
I would say the shortest distance is always a straight line; that's probably why most INTELLIGENT coaches go with the dive or QB sneak in short yardage situations.
AND they should RUN IT on a QUICK SNAP! (IMHO)
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Post by cowtownmike on Nov 10, 2007 11:25:50 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm not the only one questioning the play call. The color guy, Glenn Parker. Why you got to go there? What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 10, 2007 11:26:13 GMT -5
TCU has a whole chapter in the playbook with a quick snap and it works a lot more than it doesn't. They usually change out 4-5 players and it throws the defense's timing off...at least that's my opinion why it works. I love it when they do that but like anything else, you can't beat it into the ground.
All this being said, the offense has become predictable. Everyone knows that sometime in the second quarter they will run a reverse pass with true freshman wide receiver Jeremy Kerley trying to hook up with QB Andy Dalton. We all know that on the 4th or 5th possession they will run some kind of delay misdirection with the QB throwing the lead block. And we all know that when TCU needs an inch, they will run the width of the field to get it.
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Post by fischer on Nov 10, 2007 13:17:16 GMT -5
Well, I would probably run a dive, unless my guards and or tackles. are getting worn out, which they very well could have been. Also, are you sure it wasn't a dive option? If it was, the QB just read the five and made the pull. If that is the case, that ain't a bad call necessarily.
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Post by cowtownmike on Nov 10, 2007 13:18:45 GMT -5
Well, I would probably run a dive, unless my guards and or tackles. are getting worn out, which they very well could have been. Also, are you sure it wasn't a dive option? If it was, the QB just read the five and made the pull. If that is the case, that ain't a bad call necessarily. you sir, are an intelligent coach. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 10, 2007 13:59:39 GMT -5
No, I see what you're saying on the dive option. I think that would have been a good call too...very majintive as Jerry would say...TCU doesn't utilize a fullback that much to run the ball and it may have caught BYU off guard. TCU doesn't subscribe to the element of surprise theory one bit. These were generic OC thinks he has Tommy Frazier and Lawrence Phillips, run to the sidelines and try to turn the corner garden variety option calls. Even Fran's offensive is more creative. In fact, I think Fran's offense can be highly effective in the mid-major conferences...that's why I think he'll be SMU's next coach. I don't recall them running the option out of the I much at all this year. Its almost always out of a one back set or a WR option.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Nov 10, 2007 14:01:11 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm not the only one questioning the play call. The color guy, Glenn Parker. Why you got to go there? What does his ethnicity have to do with anything? He's white...but he does have a black man's name...almost as black a Rodney Parker. |
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