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Dec 12, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 12, 2007 15:48:45 GMT -5
Let's see...his overall record as a college football head coach is 41-9. This is done at a BASKETBALL school!
Yeah, I'll take that.
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Petrino
Dec 12, 2007 17:21:40 GMT -5
Post by fischer on Dec 12, 2007 17:21:40 GMT -5
I think he will do great.
Who is the DC going to be? He better be a good un.
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Petrino
Dec 12, 2007 17:26:50 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 12, 2007 17:26:50 GMT -5
DC will be Brian Van Gorder.
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Dec 12, 2007 17:46:42 GMT -5
Post by sully on Dec 12, 2007 17:46:42 GMT -5
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Dec 12, 2007 18:09:27 GMT -5
Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 12, 2007 18:09:27 GMT -5
Let's see...his overall record as a college football head coach is 41-9. This is done at a BASKETBALL school! Yeah, I'll take that. Isn't Ark. a basketball school? ;D
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Petrino
Dec 12, 2007 18:09:48 GMT -5
Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 12, 2007 18:09:48 GMT -5
I love it when Wikipedia reports stuff.
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Petrino
Dec 12, 2007 18:18:49 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 12, 2007 18:18:49 GMT -5
Let's see...his overall record as a college football head coach is 41-9. This is done at a BASKETBALL school! Yeah, I'll take that. Isn't Ark. a basketball school? ;D That's why he is a perfect fit!!!!
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Dec 12, 2007 22:36:16 GMT -5
Post by fischer on Dec 12, 2007 22:36:16 GMT -5
walked into that one stubbs.
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Dec 13, 2007 20:10:10 GMT -5
Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 13, 2007 20:10:10 GMT -5
Here's Pat Forde's take...and I agree 100%
Petrino's been down this road before … and likely will again
By Pat Forde ESPN.com (Archive)
In the coming days and weeks, the disingenuous drifter will say what Arkansas fans want to hear.
He'll look at them with blank shark eyes and tell them, in a monotone voice, how excited he is to be the coach of the Razorbacks. He will tell them how impressed he is by the tradition and the fan base. He will tell them that the Southeastern Conference is the place he always wanted to coach (and that might be the one true thing he'll say, given how many times he's tried to land a job in the league).
It will be a trumped-up stump speech, as sincere as a politician's pledge to cut taxes. It will simply be the latest pack of lies in a career full of them.
But it will be what Arkansas fans want to hear, and the poor saps will be desperate to believe him. During their arduous search to replace Houston Nutt, they've been used and abused by one-fourth of the coaches in the ACC -- first Butch Davis, then Tommy Bowden, then Jim Grobe. Auburn's Tommy Tuberville flirted for a minute as well.
So hiring a guy with a 41-9 college record will get the blood pumping. But those Arkansas fans ready to embrace their new hotshot coach and his pretty ball plays need to understand one thing:
[+] Enlarge[/size] Joe Robbins/US Presswire
Bobby Petrino gave Louisville fans plenty of reasons to smile by going 41-9 from 2003-06.
The disingenuous drifter doesn't love you or any other fan base. He doesn't love any school or any NFL franchise. He loves himself, his playbook and his bank account.
That's it. Don't expect it to change.
Bobby Petrino will return your embrace, Hog fans. But while he's hugging you he'll be looking over your shoulder, scanning the terrain for his next hook-up.
Even in a profession rife with dishonest posturing, Petrino is singularly mercenary. Loyalty, allegiance, commitment and honesty are foreign concepts to him. It must be a sad existence.
I apologize to Alabama's Nick Saban -- last year I named him president of the Liar's Club. He's been impeached and replaced by the disingenuous drifter.
Petrino's old boss at Louisville, Tom Jurich, took the high road when asked Tuesday night about the drifter's latest change of address.
"He's a great football coach," Jurich said, adding that he spoke to Arkansas athletic director Jeff Long about Petrino last week and "said nothing to discourage him" from hiring his old coach.
But Jurich did allow that he's "not totally surprised" Petrino would move on less than a year after leaving Louisville for a $24 million contract with the Atlanta Falcons.
"He's five for five," Jurich explained.
Petrino On Move
Bobby Petrino has been on the move for 15 years, with his four-year stint in Louisville the longest.
Year Place Role 1983CarrollGrad. asst. 1984Weber St.Grad. asst. 1985-86CarrollOff. coord./QB/WR 1987-88Weber St.WR/TE coach 1989IdahoQB coach 1990-91IdahoOff. coord./QB 1992-93Arizona St.QB coach 1994NevadaOff. coord./QB 1995-97Utah St.Off. coord./QB 1998LouisvilleOff. coord./QB 1999-2000Jacksonville (NFL)QB coach 2001Jacksonville (NFL)Off. coord. 2002AuburnOff. coord./QB 2003-2006LouisvilleHead coach 2007Atlanta (NFL)Head coach 2007ArkansasHead coach
What he meant: this is the fifth straight year Bobby Petrino has tried to get another job. Every single season he's been a head coach, he's ended it by pursuing something else.
Follow the grease stain that is the disingenuous drifter's career path:
• In 2003, his first year as a head coach at the University of Louisville, Petrino went behind the back of his employer and his onetime boss, Tuberville, to negotiate a deal replacing him at Auburn. He held a clandestine meeting across the Ohio River from Louisville in southern Indiana with Auburn officials, two days before both the Tigers and Cardinals played their final regular-season games.
It was, by any rendering, a spectacular bit of philandering by both interested parties.
Petrino lied about having any contact with Auburn officials -- until two reporters for The (Louisville) Courier-Journal confronted him with documentation of the private plane that brought the university president and athletic director into Petrino's backyard. I was one of the two reporters. And even when faced with the evidence, Petrino resisted telling the truth until Auburn issued a statement owning up to the whole affair.
Boxed into a corner, Petrino asked forgiveness and chalked it up to the inexperience of a "young coach." Louisville forgave him because he was 9-3 and his offense blew up scoreboards.
It wouldn't be the last time Petrino toyed with the school's loyalties, or the last time he was forgiven for doing so.
• In 2004, Petrino interviewed for the Notre Dame job and had discussions with Florida and Mississippi about their jobs. Then, on Dec. 7, he pledged his loyalty to Louisville.
"I want to make it clear that I'm not interested in any other coaching jobs, and am happy at the University of Louisville," Petrino said. "… I'm very excited about our move into the Big East, the opportunity to play in a BCS bowl game and the chance to compete for a national championship. [School president] Dr. James Ramsey and Tom Jurich, through their hard work and dedication, have made this the best job in the country. As I've stated before, Louisville is the perfect place to raise a family and I plan for all four of my children to graduate from high school in Louisville."
On Dec. 21, Petrino signed an enhanced contract to stay with the Cardinals.
On Dec. 26 -- well before the Petrino children had graduated from high school -- he interviewed with LSU to replace Saban. On Jan. 1, 2005, when it became obvious that he'd lost out to Les Miles, Petrino pulled out of consideration.
On the inside, several Louisville administrators were disappointed they had to keep him. They were sick of the game -- but there was no firing a guy who just went 12-1.
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Bobby Petrino lost more games (10) in a partial NFL season than he did in four full seasons as a college head coach.
• In 2005, Petrino interviewed with the Oakland Raiders. That's after telling people for years that he had no interest in coaching the pros -- college was where he wanted to be. He ultimately turned down the job and professed his commitment to the Cardinals again.
• On July 13, 2006, Petrino signed a 10-year contract worth up to $25 million -- a staggering deal for a school of Louisville's modest football heritage and fan base. The day he signed it, Petrino vowed again that Louisville was home. He made a point of insisting that a $1 million buyout provision be put into the contract, putting his money where his dissembling mouth is.
"We did want to make a statement," the disingenuous drifter said that day about the buyout. "… I wanted to make sure everyone understood -- I know I've said it -- that this is where I want to be, where my family wants to be. But I want everyone to really believe it."
Sure, he wanted everyone to believe it. Not because it was true, of course. Just because he was tired of answering questions about his wandering eye.
Five months later, he was gone to Atlanta.
Even this time around, there have been recent pronouncements of commitment to the task at hand and the people who write his checks.
On Nov. 26, Petrino told the Associated Press that he was staying in Atlanta. "I haven't given it [college coaching vacancies] one bit of thought," he said.
Shockingly, that didn't hold up, either.
Early in his career, Rick Pitino was famously called Larry Brown on training wheels. Petrino isn't Larry Brown on training wheels; he's Larry Brown in a Maserati.
The good news for Arkansas is that it might be the last school willing to give this guy anything more than what he deserves: a one-year contract and a monitoring device on his ankle. The NFL certainly will never give him another chance as a head coach, not after fleeing with three games left in the season and undercutting an owner like Arthur Blank. And every college in the country should know by now how fickle Petrino can be.
Even in what appears to be a major rebuilding year for the Hogs in 2008, I predict Petrino will do better than expected. He's that good as a coach -- for my money, the best offensive game-planner and tactician since Steve Spurrier's heyday at Florida. That will be a welcome dynamic at a school that struggled to diversify its offense beyond Darren McFadden and Felix Jones the past two years.
But a little success can be a dangerous thing. It might tempt some deluded and desperate school to offer Bobby Petrino a job -- and that's a temptation the disingenuous drifter is powerless to resist.
Pat Forde is a senior writer for ESPN.com. He can be reached at ESPN4D@aol.com.
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Petrino
Dec 13, 2007 20:33:10 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 13, 2007 20:33:10 GMT -5
A little background information on the writer is always good when considering where his point of view is coming from.
Pat Forde:
Graduate of University of Missouri Before he went to ESPN, he was a sportswriter at the The Courier-Journal in Louisville, KY.
Hmmm... so his alma mater is getting ready to play Arkansas in a bowl game in less than a month. And he used to work at a Louisville newspaper?
Sounds really objective to me.
That being said if Patrino wants to leave after three years and he has given me smart, winning football; I say good bye and good luck.
Also, Pat Forde is a whiney little biotch.
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Petrino
Dec 13, 2007 20:42:42 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 13, 2007 20:42:42 GMT -5
Matt-Would you hire this guy? Looks like he moved around constantly before he got the job he wanted.
1982 Kansas State (Graduate Assistant) 1983-84 Tennessee Tech (Linebackers) 1986 UC Davis (Linebackers) 1987 Cal Lutheran (Defensive Coordinator) 1988 Pittsburg (Kan.) State (Linebackers) 1989-91 Sonoma (Calif.) State (Defensive Coordinator) 1992 Oregon Lightning Bolts 1992-94 Utah State (Secondary) 1995 Navy (Secondary) 1996-97 New Mexico (Defensive Coordinator/Safeties) 1998-00 TCU (Defensive Coordinator/Safeties) 2000-present TCU (Head Coach)
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Dec 14, 2007 10:15:12 GMT -5
Post by sully on Dec 14, 2007 10:15:12 GMT -5
Eerily similar...
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Dec 14, 2007 14:21:55 GMT -5
Post by Ticket Mouse on Dec 14, 2007 14:21:55 GMT -5
So...you've taken to defending the 5th guy in line? I think his biggest beef is that this is his third HC gig in 11 months. The first few years of any coach's career can't really be criticized anyway. Petrino and GP were at small schools with limited budgets working for next to nothing. They don't get multi-year contracts and a lot of times their positions are eliminated the next year to budget cuts.
I believe 1995 was when John L. Smith took over at Utah State and GP probably wasn't retained on the staff. He went on to Navy for a year under Charlie Weatherby before getting a call from his old boss at Pittsburg State, Fran, to go to New Mexico. After two years there, Fran leaves for TCU and takes GP with him and eventually makes him assistant HC. Fran leaves, and the rest is history. GP has shown an incredible amount of loyalty to TCU. When the KSU job came up, he was on their initial short list. He immediately called and said he was not interested, his alma mater. When the Minnesota job opened up, they asked for permission to talk to GP. GP wasn't interested. He's been mentioned for almost every opening this year but to my knowledge he hasn't been contacted nor has the university. GP has certainly had opportunities to leave but has stayed at TCU for 7 years, produced 6 bowl teams, and 4 ten win season. You can't compare what he has done and his moving around with Rat Bastard Bobby.
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Dec 14, 2007 14:35:08 GMT -5
Post by sully on Dec 14, 2007 14:35:08 GMT -5
Yeah...But Arkansas didn't come calling either.
Two complete seperate programs and oppurtunities. You can't compare Minnesota with Arkansas.
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Dec 14, 2007 16:20:49 GMT -5
Post by cowtownmike on Dec 14, 2007 16:20:49 GMT -5
So...you've taken to defending the 5th guy in line? I think his biggest beef is that this is his third HC gig in 11 months. The first few years of any coach's career can't really be criticized anyway. Petrino and GP were at small schools with limited budgets working for next to nothing. They don't get multi-year contracts and a lot of times their positions are eliminated the next year to budget cuts. I believe 1995 was when John L. Smith took over at Utah State and GP probably wasn't retained on the staff. He went on to Navy for a year under Charlie Weatherby before getting a call from his old boss at Pittsburg State, Fran, to go to New Mexico. After two years there, Fran leaves for TCU and takes GP with him and eventually makes him assistant HC. Fran leaves, and the rest is history. GP has shown an incredible amount of loyalty to TCU. When the KSU job came up, he was on their initial short list. He immediately called and said he was not interested, his alma mater. When the Minnesota job opened up, they asked for permission to talk to GP. GP wasn't interested. He's been mentioned for almost every opening this year but to my knowledge he hasn't been contacted nor has the university. GP has certainly had opportunities to leave but has stayed at TCU for 7 years, produced 6 bowl teams, and 4 ten win season. You can't compare what he has done and his moving around with Rat Bastard Bobby. I sense some bitterness in your post. Did Patrino call Jack Ingram a homo or something? Petrino has had two head coaching gigs before Arkansas. He has tried to advance his career by moving up the chain in his profession. He went from mid-major college coach (L'ville) to NFL (Falcons) coach and decided coaching a bunch of big ballas/shot callers living the ATL highlife wasn't for him. He is more at home coaching college football, so he found a situation that he liked, that he and his family were more comfortable with, TOOK A $2.5 M PAY CUT per year and made the move. Good for him for not being ruled by the all mighty $$$.
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