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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 18:03:51 GMT -5
Book signing by Josh at Lifeway Christian Books in Hurst!
Wonder if he'll answer any questions or will it be like his press conference?
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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 18:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 4, 2012 19:04:15 GMT -5
Well, it's obvious from the reaction on this board that his reputation has not suffered. Sounds like some of you guys still fully support and trust him. Wonder if you would be able to keep your jobs if you had his track record? I know I wouldn't. Why is St. Josh held to a different standard than Dez Bryant in this area? I never said I didn't trust him. Nor did I say we should 100% resign him. I am just arguing your stance that he is a fraud. I don't know that you can compare Dez and Josh. I just don't see what your point is there. Dez's missteps are directly related to the game (late to meetings and practices). Also, in the eyes of many, if you produce on the field things are overlooked. Dez hasn't gotten there yet. That's the way it works for athletes, unfortunately. But, again, Josh has not committed any crimes since he has been with the Rangers, nor has he had any negative actions that relate to the game on the field. Addicts relapse all the time. I think I read that they do at least 7-9 times on average while recovering. I Also don't understand how you say his the image he portrays is fake. Everyone has demons. Just because he preaches what he believes doesn't mean he can't make mistakes. He has never said that he is perfect nor has he said he wouldn't relapse. It takes balls to admit mistakes to the entire world, mistakes that are not a big deal of other people were to do them. And if we are using Dez as the bar, I haven't heard him admit any wrongdoings. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 19:14:00 GMT -5
So, it's not so much if you walk the walk, it's ok just to talk the talk. Don't hold Josh to any expectations, even though he portrays himself and PROFITS off an image he perpetuates for some reason. ($$$)
Maybe he should tone down the religion bit, like not insisting on special celebrations that set him apart from his teammates.
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 4, 2012 19:29:32 GMT -5
I understand the viewpoint of walking the walking and would understand your opinions of him if he had a consistent lifestyle of drugs, booze, and unfaithfulness to his wife. Not a single person is capable of not making mistakes. He is an addict and is going to relapse at times. That is his demon and he owns up to it. He isn't trying to hide it. Just because he preaches what he believes does not mean he won't have missteps. I would understand if he were doing this all of the time and was not admitting he was wrong.
Even if he were not an outspoken Christian he would still get money from appearances, sales of merchandise and other event. All great players do.
By your standards no one on this earth could walk the walk.
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 4, 2012 19:32:59 GMT -5
Maybe he should tone down the religion bit, like not insisting on special celebrations that set him apart from his teammates. That doesn't make sense. He doesn't celebrate with the alcohol because of his past addiction. Doesn't have anything to do with religion. It has to do with not being put in a position where he could fall off the wagon. Nothing about his religion alters any aspect of the team or the game. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 19:38:03 GMT -5
I understand the viewpoint of walking the walking and would understand your opinions of him if he had a consistent lifestyle of drugs, booze, and unfaithfulness to his wife. Not a single person is capable of not making mistakes. He is an addict and is going to relapse at times. That is his demon and he owns up to it. He isn't trying to hide it. Just because he preaches what he believes does not mean he won't have missteps. I would understand if he were doing this all of the time and was not admitting he was wrong. Even if he were not an outspoken Christian he would still get money from appearances, sales of merchandise and other event. All great players do. By your standards no one on this earth could walk the walk. I would say he has a pretty consistent pattern of drug and alcohol abuse. THE MAN WAS BANNED FROM BASEBALL BECAUSE OF IT. As for his faithfulness to his wife and family, did you see the pictures from AZ? also stay tuned for the rest of Mondays escapade. Sure, most athletes have endorsements, why is it so hard for you and Fischer to understand that Josh promoting himself as a God fearing Christian does make him MORE profitable. We are in the bible belt, a church on every block...do you think he would be as popular if he were a Muslim drug addict? |
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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 19:41:01 GMT -5
Maybe he should tone down the religion bit, like not insisting on special celebrations that set him apart from his teammates. That doesn't make sense. He doesn't celebrate with the alcohol because of his past addiction. Doesn't have anything to do with religion. It has to do with not being put in a position where he could fall off the wagon. Nothing about his religion alters any aspect of the team or the game. I must have missed the champagne celebration that triggered him into Sherlocks and caused him to lie to Ian Kinsler. Let's not hold Josh responsible for any of his actions. |
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 4, 2012 19:48:06 GMT -5
Yes, there was a consistent patter of drug abuse. But are talking about Josh since he has been with the Rangers. Since he began the new image. He wasn't preaching back in 2006 as he was high on crack. I understand that he has had these missteps. We haven't denied them. All we are saying is that mistakes happen. He has owned up to them more than anyone else owns up to their mistakes. His addiction is a dangerous weapon that takes a hold of him sometimes.
Basically, I am gathering that you think the Christian image he portrays is a hoax and he is using it solely for money. FYI he isn't the only athlete that promotes himself as a Christian. Just because they are Christians doesn't mean they can't make money.
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Post by cowtownmike on Feb 4, 2012 19:51:34 GMT -5
No doubt about it. I have said, I fully believe Tim Tebow and I hate to see people that criticize him solely due to his Christian belief. People like Josh Hamilton make it harder for the Tim Tebow's of the world to be believed, trusted and respected.
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Post by fischer on Feb 5, 2012 1:07:03 GMT -5
Mike, I usually agree with you, but you are way off base on this one.
Craig. Very nicely done on this thread. I agree with you.
I'm too tired to go into how wrong you are, mike, but I'll get to it.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Feb 7, 2012 15:01:48 GMT -5
Until it's found out he went on a 3-day bender or found with a needle in his arm and a tranny in his pants I don't think this is that big of a story. A relapse does not equal falling off the wagon. If and when that happens then we have a story. Personally, I'm glad he called Kins even though he lied to him. Sounds like it was a call for help so at least he did something right in the situation. Maybe next time he'll tell him the truth. I'm glad he's got friends on the team who will answer his calls late at night.
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Post by sully on Feb 7, 2012 23:17:49 GMT -5
What do you think about the girl that posted on Facebook about 'feeling up' Josh Hamilton? Or the alleged photos and sex video that's being shopped right now?
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Post by P. Marf on Feb 7, 2012 23:22:56 GMT -5
That will not be good. The sex video that is. I don't think a girl feeling him up will be a problem but the latter definitely will.
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Post by sully on Feb 7, 2012 23:24:50 GMT -5
A relapse is one thing. Infidelity is another.
That said, give me .330, 30 HRs and 120 RBI's next year with less than 30 on the DL and it all goes away.
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