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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 12, 2009 20:28:02 GMT -5
Similar in terms of crime? I guess so but once again I'm not a professional athlete with my life in the spot light. Also I didn't resist arrest or refuse to go to jail.
What was I jumping to conclusions about? I was just asking if you told your boss what happened. If it's not that big of a deal I'm sure you told him, it's a funny story.
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Post by fischer on Jan 12, 2009 20:55:04 GMT -5
I don't know what you are talking about.
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 12, 2009 21:10:33 GMT -5
hahahahahaha
Yeah, me either, I was really drunk that night.
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Post by P. Marf on Jan 12, 2009 22:45:10 GMT -5
Any owner will deal with off the field issues if the player that has them produces on the field. I think if pac would have a had a really good year he would prolly still be here. Thats just not the Cowboys, thats most teams. Look at your LTs, Irvin's, Sanders', Kobe's, Rodman's, ect..... and even those with on the field problems. Look at your TOs, Haynesworth's, Rodman's, Manny's, ect..... I know they dont fully relate to pac but there is more pull for troubled players that are good than troubled shitty ones.
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Post by cowtownmike on Jan 13, 2009 9:57:44 GMT -5
Exactly right Framp. Not every player is treated the same. When Nolan Ryan played for the Rangers, he seldom traveled with the team and didn't stay in the same hotels. His ability granted him special privileges.
Unfortunately, for MY his ability is not enough.
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 13, 2009 12:23:45 GMT -5
I'm not saying you treat every player the same, but signing players and ignoring their off the field issues just doesn't work anymore. Players can't go out and party like LT or Irvine used to do without facing some sort of scrutiny. Not to mention all those guys were winners, it's a lot easier to handle off the field problems when the guys perform of Sunday.
Kobe did nothing wrong, he had sex with a girl who cried rape, that really could happen to any of us. I know he was married but that is between him and God, not his owner.
"His ability granted him special privileges."
Terrible example, there is not one player on the cowboys that even comes close to Ryan status. He was one of the best right handed pitchers to ever play the game, the cowboys don't have a single player on their roster who was the best at his position this year.
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 13, 2009 12:26:25 GMT -5
Not every player is treated the same.Unfortunately, for MY his ability is not enough. If a coach thinks the move is what's best for the team, the player should NEVER have any input other than yes sir. Nowhere in any sport is it appropriate for the player to tell the coach what to do. It is not even okay to give unsolicited opinions. According to Fischer ability shouldn't matter, all players should just STFU and go do their job, which I agree with. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Jan 13, 2009 12:31:05 GMT -5
I'm not saying you treat every player the same, but signing players and ignoring their off the field issues just doesn't work anymore. Players can't go out and party like LT or Irvine used to do without facing some sort of scrutiny. Not to mention all those guys were winners, it's a lot easier to handle off the field problems when the guys perform of Sunday. Kobe did nothing wrong, he had sex with a girl who cried rape, that really could happen to any of us. I know he was married but that is between him and God, not his owner. "His ability granted him special privileges." Terrible example, there is not one player on the cowboys that even comes close to Ryan status. He was one of the best right handed pitchers to ever play the game, the cowboys don't have a single player on their roster who was the best at his position this year. Nolan Ryan is a great example because it proves my point. All players are not treated equally. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Jan 13, 2009 12:35:07 GMT -5
Not every player is treated the same.Unfortunately, for MY his ability is not enough. If a coach thinks the move is what's best for the team, the player should NEVER have any input other than yes sir. Nowhere in any sport is it appropriate for the player to tell the coach what to do. It is not even okay to give unsolicited opinions. According to Fischer ability shouldn't matter, all players should just STFU and go do their job, which I agree with. Exactly. The Coach and the team management determine if a player is granted that kind of latitude. The player doesn't get special treatment just because he thinks he deserves it. |
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 13, 2009 12:40:37 GMT -5
I agree that not all players can be treated equally, but it is a terrible example in terms of the cowboys because not one of their players deserves that kind of treatment. Not to mention what did treating Nolan Ryan like a king get the Rangers, an extra 10 wins a year? They still missed the playoffs every year, just like the cowboys do now.
You can keep giving me examples and points all you want, but the only proven fact in this argument is that the cowboys missed playoffs after starting the year 3-0 and talks of a Super Bowl. That alone proves my point.
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Post by cowtownmike on Jan 13, 2009 13:12:41 GMT -5
I agree that not all players can be treated equally, I stopped reading after this part because it agrees with what I said. Thanks for your support. |
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 13, 2009 15:55:43 GMT -5
I see you're taking the Stubbs approach. When your argument is completely full of holes and sinking faster than the Titanic just make some lame joke and try to convince yourself that you've won. Good work buddy.
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Post by cowtownmike on Jan 13, 2009 16:30:23 GMT -5
We agree that players shouldn't and don't get equal treatment. I supported that argument with an example. I don't see your point.
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Post by The River Assassin on Jan 13, 2009 16:40:39 GMT -5
Exactly. The Coach and the team management determine if a player is granted that kind of latitude. The player doesn't get special treatment just because he thinks he deserves it. No, Jerry grants them that latitude and then the coach is supposed to deal with it. That's why it doesn't work, Jerry wants to be the players best friend, not their boss. There is a difference between treating some players differently and letting some get away with bloody murder. I have to treat my employees differently because they behave differently, but they also know that there is a line and no matter how fast they fold clothes if they cross that line they are gone. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jan 13, 2009 17:34:48 GMT -5
We agree that players shouldn't and don't get equal treatment. I supported that argument with an example. I don't see your point. This totally contradicts your MY argument. |
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