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Post by Ticket Mouse on Oct 17, 2008 10:28:45 GMT -5
There was a posting on Texags the other day that said Sherman should be fired and they should hire Patterson. Some KSU people have already started a Hiregarypatterson.com website.
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 10:31:41 GMT -5
Patterson is not long for TCU.
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 10:34:26 GMT -5
Coach-disagree.
Auburn has a very good defense and the offense will improve now that they scrapped that gimicky Big 12 type spead. Experts like Houston Nutt have said that the spread will not work in the SEC.
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Post by fischer on Oct 17, 2008 10:36:49 GMT -5
Tell that to Florida.
Auburn plays good defense, but not against someone who is multiple. They would get hammered in the Big 12 this year.
Look, the SEC is typically the best conference in football. Not this year. Let the Big 12 have their moment, the SEC will return to prominence soon enough.
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 10:41:00 GMT -5
Florida doesn't run the spread like a Tech or a Mizzou. Florida is more balanced.
SEC is still the best...top to bottom.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Oct 17, 2008 11:16:33 GMT -5
Patterson is not long for TCU. I go back and forth on this. Depending on who you read and who you believe, he's already been offered a few BCS school jobs and turned them down (Minn, KSU). I don't know if he actually turned them down but in talking with them he probably got the hint that they weren't going to pay him what he wanted and they probably got the impression he may be holding out for a bigger job. There's a lot of FSU talk brewing. But part of me thinks he'll stay. He has the second-highest non-BCS salary but the school needs to step up and put him in the 2.25-3 million range. His contract is through 2012 and the alumni are scared that the AD thinks he will honor that in full. I highly doubt he will w/o a raise. But, his wife is from Ft. Worth and she's very involved in the community. He loves it here. He's very loyal to the kids and I think that means more to him than to most coaches. That's probably another reason why he hasn't left yet. Plus, he's a very driven person and he's set a lot of goals for TCU that they have yet to reach but have come very close. I think he'd see it as failing if he left w/o reaching those goals. I think that if the school gives him a raise within a week after the final game, he'll be here for the long haul. If they drop the ball and play his hand, he'll eventually leave. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 12:04:26 GMT -5
I don't doubt he loves FW. Who doesn't??
Minn and KSU are not exactly places where he can win a NC. He will take a Big 12 (South to keep him in Texas for the wife) or an SEC position (no one turns those down). TCU won't and shouldn't pay him over 2 million. Tenn is opening this year but they will go for a higher profile guy as will Florida State.
This all could change if TCU wins out.
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 12:27:51 GMT -5
Holy crap...some idiot on the Hog message board is saying Aggie will fire Sherman this year. No way this happens. Right?
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 12:28:42 GMT -5
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Oct 17, 2008 13:21:42 GMT -5
There's a lot of dreamers. Tulsa still has a long way to go. Houston and UTEP play with their head's up their ass a lot. If and when they decide to pull it out, Tulsa will have a tough road to hoe. As bad as Arkansas has been, I don't see Tulsa beating them. They would still have ECU in the championship game or Marshall in back-to-back games.
If TCU wins out and one of the others goes undefeated, I would think that the voters would have enough sense to give TCU the nod b/c their loss would be to OU-another likely BCS team. But then again, look at the election polls-I may be giving people too much credit.
About Patterson, he'll definately be a hot item this offseason. I don't see Tenn going after him. They would want a big name like Spurrier.
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Post by fischer on Oct 17, 2008 13:48:11 GMT -5
A true spread team is extremely balanced Mike. The idea is to "spread" people out so you can run the ball and not have to block as many people.
If you look at the stats of most true spread teams you will see that they run the ball way more than you think they do. Tech is not a true spread team, that is Leach's offense, although their back averages 7.8 yds a carry.
Stubbs, all of that loyalty to the kids and stuff like that is a bunch of BS. You drank too much of the koolaid. Patterson will jump at a big time job if offered. As you said, he is driven, and wants to go as far as he can in the coaching profession.
There is very, very little loyalty in the college coaching world (see Bobby Petrino) and there is no reason to assume Patterson is any different from anyone else.
Maybe he is different, but you have no evidence to say that he is. Those things you said were said about every single coach in America before they left to go to their new job.
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 13:52:19 GMT -5
Regardless, experts like Houston Nutt say that kind of offense will not work in the SEC.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Oct 17, 2008 14:16:37 GMT -5
Fischer is right about the spread. BYU is known as a team that throws the ball over the field but they actually run it 45% of the time. I think they had 28 rushes last night. I heard talk (this might be purely hearsay) but when BYU was looking to replace Crowton, some alums thought they could lure Leach from Tech. It was a pipedream in and of itself but the AD dismissed that notion because he thought Leach's offense was too liberal even for pass-happy BYU.
You're right, there is very little loyalty but one has to think that going by his record, he's had to have had the chance to jump ship by now but he hasn't. Money does talk and if TCU gives him enough money, he might just be here for life. I'd love to see a 70 year-old GP roaming the sidelines at ACS hitching up his pants and tying his shoes.
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Post by The River Assassin on Oct 17, 2008 14:34:54 GMT -5
Florida doesn't run the spread like a Tech or a Mizzou. Florida is more balanced. Sorry Cowtown, but you are dead wrong here. Florida doesn't even have a true running back, Harvin(sp?) is a glorified wide receiver. Tebow is the QB and the full back, I fail to see how that is balanced. |
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Post by cowtownmike on Oct 17, 2008 14:37:59 GMT -5
Here is my point:
1. Florida has had great success in the SEC.
2. EXPERTS like Houston Nutt, claim a spread offense will not work in the SEC.
3. therefore, Florida must not run the spread.
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