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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 13:20:22 GMT -5
umm, I watched that tceh game... there was waaaaay more than 12k tceh fans there. Also, Houston travels a ton better than horny frog does... of course you can't blame horny frog for not travelling to utah or wyoming....which brings us back to the original point. NO ONE WANTS TO WATCH THOSE SCHOOLS!! UNT vs TCU would have more people in the stands than ANY tcu game last year sans when tceh overran the dump that is Amon G Carter. No doubt in my mind. Another point...I was at that bowl game in Houston....Houston had over half of the fans there. You are sorely mistaken. this is another case of facts getting in the way of Stubbs' argument. Um...I was actually AT that game and that's about right. Estimates were between 8-14. I say 12 was about right. They had a couple thousand outside the stadium that didn't get a ticket. Fischer, no one wants to watch those schools any less than they would want to watch UNT and Tulsa. No one cares. FSN would not pick this up. They'd have to play at 8 AM for them to show it. They usually have a spare Big XII game at 11 that would outdraw any of these games in viewers 10-1. ABC has the 2:30 slot. Evenings are Pac-10 that would, once again, outdraw this Big Ass Cluster conference. It would be on ESPN Plus. Last year UNT and ASU were on a Saturday night and got a 2-two viewers-me and Mike. TCU/UNT would draw about 10k less than TCU/SMU. Last year's attendance was about 36k-35 TCU, 1 SMU. In 2001 when TCU and UNT opened up their season in Denton the total attendance was BARELY 22000 and half of that was TCU. When they played in Fort Worth in 1999 it was about 25k with 24500 for TCU. UNT may be a big school but no one cares about football. My sister is in a sorority there and HAS to go to the games, much to her dismay. She says half the stands empty out before halftime. TCU people would be so turned off by playing UNT that they wouldn't even show up. How do you figure Houston travels well when in '06 they were 86th in the country in attendance with an average of 21910 in 8 games. Last year they averaged 20955 in 6 games. The Rice game was the highest attended game with 26514. The Texas Southern game drew 12139. They can't get anyone to go to the home games. What makes you think they can get people to travel? The Houston/Texas/Gallerfurniturebowl.com/whatever it's called had an attendance of 62097. Over half doesn't mean a whole lot heck of a lot. TCU still sold 25000 tickets and had about 22000 there. Not too bad considering it's 1) Houston, 2) UH, and 3) our third trip to Houston for a bowl in the last decade. I wasn't interested one bit in going. They came close to getting an Indy Bowl bid and I certainly would have gone to that. I'd much rather go to BYU with 60000 in attendance and Utah with 43-45. At least people care there enough to show up. Heck, New Mexico and SDSU draw 28-29 which is more than anyone else besides TCU in the BAD conference would draw. I'd love to go to got to Provo or Las Vegas for a game. I have ZERO interest in going to any directional Louisiana, Tulsa, Arkansas, or Memphis. Damn facts... |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 13:23:05 GMT -5
Now he will come back with something along the lines of TCU having the most loyal fan base in the MWC. That would be the dumbest argument of all-time. BYU has the most loyal fan base of anyone in the country. If there's a chess tournement and there's a mormon there they'd have to bring in extra bike racks to accomodate all the spectators. |
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Post by fischer on Jun 27, 2008 13:31:54 GMT -5
You are the only person I have EVER heard of wanting to go to a BYU or Utah game. I know mormons that don't even want to go there.
NO ONE from tcu goes ANYWHERE in that conference. In this one, they could go to all of the games.
You, and tcu fans in general, are too snobby. You all think your team deserves to be in a big conference and that they are disrespected. That is what this is all about. If tcu went to this conference they would, in a sense, be admitting that they aren't a big time school...which they are not. They never will be.
Sure, going to the BAC would boost revenue, attendence, interest, and probably recruiting. But it would be admitting to yourself and to your meager yet snobby fanbase that you aren't what you've been saying you are for the past ten yrs.
TCU is like the chick that is fat, but keeps buying clothes that are too small. She tells herself she fits in them, she tells herself she looks good...she even makes herself believe it. But EVERYONE else knows the truth...she's a fat chick.
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Post by fischer on Jun 27, 2008 13:32:23 GMT -5
Now he will come back with something along the lines of TCU having the most loyal fan base in the MWC. That would be the dumbest argument of all-time. BYU has the most loyal fan base of anyone in the country. If there's a chess tournement and there's a mormon there they'd have to bring in extra bike racks to accomodate all the spectators. I'd love to see some evidence of this. I have never heard BYU mentioned for anything remotely close to having loyal fans. They don't lead the nation in attendence for a single sport. I can't find one in which they are in the top ten. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 13:47:34 GMT -5
I'm talking more about when they BYU is in town anywhere. They don't travel well b/c there's freaking Mormons everwhere. They had about 5000 for the last game at TCU and I'm pretty sure about 95% of them were local. It's like that for any sport that BYU plays here. No matter where BYU plays, if there's a mormon in that town, he'll be there.
Yes, we could go to all the games but I have no interest at all in seeing Jonesboro, Ark no matter how sweet of a deal Mike tried to give me on his time-share. We did this before with C-USA. Been there. Done that. Why take a step back? It gives our guys a chance to see other parts of the country. Oh wait, telling a kid we're going to Monroe, La. twice in his career IS a huge selling point.
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Post by fischer on Jun 27, 2008 14:05:36 GMT -5
Its more of a selling point then telling a kid he will play zero conference road games within driving distance.
Like I said, TCU thinks its better than the BAC. Its not. Not even close. They wouldn't win that conference next year.
By the way, the guys at tcu that I know (from Brenham recruiting) hate the MWC with a passion. They liked C USA.
In fact, they don't mention the conference to recruits. they mention their OOC schedule. There is a reason for that. The conference they are in really hurts recruiting. I have experienced it first hand.
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 14:24:20 GMT -5
No need to mention it b/c their mamma can watch them on TV. The only selling point of the bad would be if dey mamma can afode $4/gallon to drive a minimum of 4 hours to anywhere besides SMU and UNT because it certainly won't be on TV.
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Post by fischer on Jun 27, 2008 14:37:19 GMT -5
if you don't think FOX would be all over this conference you are more dense than I thought.
FSN airs Lone Star Conf. games and Southland games every Saturday(that is the day that real conferences play foobtall stubbs, not Tuesday at 11:oo). They love regionally geared programming. Every single week there would be games on t.v.
Plus, you are showing your ignorance of recruiting here. Parents aren't concerned with being able to watch on t.v. They want to watch in person. The reason that the coaches don't mention the conference is because they would have to explain who the hell San Diego State is, and why they have to travel to Laramie, Wyoming to play in front of 5000 fans in sub zero temperatures. The MWC is the least interesting conference in football. That is why they don't mention it.
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Post by cowtownmike on Jun 27, 2008 14:40:16 GMT -5
Matt, I think you are neglecting to see the future of college football. Soon, there will be only 4 (maybe 5) major conferences playing in a super division. These teams are going to get all the TV money anyway. TCU has no chance to join this group. Economically, the best thing is for TCU to appeal to the local fan. The way to do this is by playing games that interest the local community.
The college football landscape nationally is going to mirror what happened to the old SWC. The have's are going to separate from the have-not's.
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Post by sully on Jun 27, 2008 14:41:10 GMT -5
"TCU people would be so turned off by playing UNT that they wouldn't even show up."
Very typical TCU'er. They think they're better than that, because mommy and daddy told them they were. And paid for it.
Two thoughts: 1) Loved fischer's analogy about the fat chick. (Quoting Mike about me) "Spot On"! 2) Stubbs said it best. He wouldn't go to any of these games because he has no interest in watching the other teams. Don't you go to the games to watch your team? That's like not going to the Rangers games when the Yankees aren't in town.
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Post by sully on Jun 27, 2008 14:44:04 GMT -5
The real beef TCU'ers have with joining this conference??? Exposed!!!
The damn imposters, who think they are better than that, couldn't win in this conference either, therefore would no longer have the 'what about us???' argument when it comes to national recognition.
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Post by cowtownmike on Jun 27, 2008 14:50:35 GMT -5
"TCU people would be so turned off by playing UNT that they wouldn't even show up." Very typical TCU'er. They think they're better than that, because mommy and daddy told them they were. And paid for it. Two thoughts: 1) Loved fischer's analogy about the fat chick. (Quoting Mike about me) "Spot On"! 2) Stubbs said it best. He wouldn't go to any of these games because he has no interest in watching the other teams. Don't you go to the games to watch your team? That's like not going to the Rangers games when the Yankees aren't in town. Sully, you are on point(how about that one) about TCU attendance being tied to the opponent. This is one thing that separates the majors from the mid majors. |
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Post by fischer on Jun 27, 2008 14:53:07 GMT -5
The real beef TCU'ers have with joining this conference??? Exposed!!! The damn imposters, who think they are better than that, couldn't win in this conference either, therefore would no longer have the 'what about us???' argument when it comes to national recognition. DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! Mike you were spot on as well. TCU is going to get left out no matter what, so they might as well get on board with the local market idea. Its not like they have anything to lose. No one watches their games anyways. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 15:50:45 GMT -5
if you don't think FOX would be all over this conference you are more dense than I thought. FSN airs Lone Star Conf. games and Southland games every Saturday(that is the day that real conferences play foobtall stubbs, not Tuesday at 11:oo). They love regionally geared programming. Every single week there would be games on t.v. Plus, you are showing your ignorance of recruiting here. Parents aren't concerned with being able to watch on t.v. They want to watch in person. The reason that the coaches don't mention the conference is because they would have to explain who the hell San Diego State is, and why they have to travel to Laramie, Wyoming to play in front of 5000 fans in sub zero temperatures. The MWC is the least interesting conference in football. That is why they don't mention it. FSN SW shows those games during the week. They are never on Saturday. I have no idea what channel you are watching. Correction-Wyoming averages 20000 and hasn't had a sub-zero game in a long, long time. |
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Jun 27, 2008 15:58:37 GMT -5
Matt, I think you are neglecting to see the future of college football. Soon, there will be only 4 (maybe 5) major conferences playing in a super division. These teams are going to get all the TV money anyway. TCU has no chance to join this group. Economically, the best thing is for TCU to appeal to the local fan. The way to do this is by playing games that interest the local community. The college football landscape nationally is going to mirror what happened to the old SWC. The have's are going to separate from the have-not's. Then make it that way. I wish they'd do it that way. And when they do, get rid of ISU, BU, Maryland, the Big East, Indiana, Northwestern, and Vandy. Playing Rice wouldn't interest the local community any more than playing Colorado St. The difference would be minute either way. |
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