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Post by Ticket Mouse on Apr 30, 2007 17:39:42 GMT -5
WTH?
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Post by fischer on Apr 30, 2007 19:56:49 GMT -5
You keep bringing up things that didn't work out. Its easy to say that it was a bad move after you see the results.
You easily forget all the good players the Cowboys have drafted in the last few years.
(or was that ALL Parcells? Convenient)
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Post by Ticket Mouse on Apr 30, 2007 22:10:04 GMT -5
Even a pirate can beat a soldier some days...Just because they "drafted" a few good players doesn't mean whole lot. Everybody has done that. But my problem with him is what has he done? Nothing. Everybody in the league laughed with they traded 2 first round picks for Galloway. Everyone laughed when he deemed Quincy Carter the future. The guy just put Band-aids on top of gunshot wounds. He didn't prepare for the future when Troy and Emmitt were getting older. Switzer, Campo, and Gailey-those were all good choices (Don't for a second give Barry credit for that Super Bowl win). I will give him incredible props for being a passionate owner and for not being afraid to spend money. Ownerwise-there's not a better one in the league. As a GM, he is by far the worst. Well, Matt Millen may be the worst but the Lions don't technically have a GM. The Jones Mafia needs to stop running the day-to-day football operations. You never hear of hot-shot front-office people from Valley Ranch going somewhere else. That's because Jerry, Stephen, Jerry Jr., and Rowdy think they can do it all. If I were a Cowboy fan, I'd be up in arms. If he was just a GM for any other team he wouldn't have lasted 3 or 4 years. Surely I can't be the only one that thinks this way.
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Post by fischer on May 1, 2007 9:19:15 GMT -5
It must be nice living in a world where you can pick and choose which facts you want to use.
Its all Jerry's fault for the bad moves, but he didn't have anything to do with the good ones. Joey Galloway is his fault but Ellis, Spears, Ware, Williams, Newman, Witten, Barber were not any of his doing. For every bad move, there are a few good ones.
On a side note: Coach West was visiting with Sean Payton the other day ( a PARCELLS disciple) and Payton said that the Cowboys were by far the most talented team in the NFL last year and he doesn't know how they didn't win the Super Bowl. He said that when he was there that Jerry Jones was NEVER a problem and he was even easy to work with.
But lets not let someone who actually knows what they are talking about get in the way of your argument, that would be no fun.
Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl but he didn't have anything to do with it. Yeah its a horrible idea to hire a guy who won National Titles at the College Level and ran arguably the most successful program in the nation while he was there...Jerry never had any luck hiring those types of guys (Jimmy Johnson). Yeah it didn't turn out the greatest, but there is a Lombardi Trophy from his tenure. You can guess all you want your reasons for how it got there but the fact remains: HE WON IT. So yes, I do give him some credit for it you dumbass.
Once again, lets not let some silly little facts ruin your argument though.
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Post by cowtownmike on May 1, 2007 10:52:07 GMT -5
WOW!
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Post by sully on May 1, 2007 11:01:57 GMT -5
Mark.
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Post by fischer on May 1, 2007 11:34:50 GMT -5
Its funny how Stubbs gets owned so he smites me twice in two hrs.
I love it
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Post by Ticket Mouse on May 1, 2007 11:36:53 GMT -5
You didn't own me and I didn't smite you. I haven't had time to respond.
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Post by fischer on May 1, 2007 11:39:45 GMT -5
OWNED.
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Post by P. Marf on May 1, 2007 11:49:12 GMT -5
HSO!
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Post by Ticket Mouse on May 13, 2007 1:23:13 GMT -5
I don't care if you talked to Pop Warner, Paul Hourning (well), or Red Grange...to say that the Cowboys were BY FAR the most talented team last year is just plain idiotic. I seriously doubt that he said that. If he doesn't know how they didn't win the Super Bowl, then he doesn't deserve to be a head coach. They lost 3 of their last 4 regular season games by an average of 16.3 points. The average margin of defeat in all 7 losses was 12.4 points. The only game that they lost that they truly had a shot to win was the Washington game. They backed into the freaking playoffs. So, realistically, they had the potential to have won 10 games. By contrast, Indy had 4 losses. The only two they didn't have a shot to win was Dallas and Jacksonville. You can say that Dallas beat the Super Bowl champs but every dog can have his day (see Houston against Indy). Over the course of 16 games, they proved to be just a slightly above average team. How can the most talented team go 9-7 against opponents with a combined record of 106-114? The 39 points they gave up to Detroit was the most Det has scored since game 1 of 2003. Is the talent there? Yes, but about 8 other non-playoff teams can boast similar situations. They were terribly inconsistent over the course of the season and at the end of the season, you are what your are.
My argument against Jones is that he has NOT consistently put the proper personel on the field to be anything more than a generic, run-of-the-mill team. Who has he ever bought, drafted, or traded for that can be someone to build the team around? At the end of 1998, it was clearly evident that this machine that Jimmy built was on the decline...so what did he do? He rode the horse until it died and then entered it into the Kentucky Derby. Its taken five years to find an adequate replacement for Troy; and even Romo is still unproven. All he did was take a page out the Rangers philosophy for centerfielders. So what happens if Romo doesn't work out? Brad Johnson? Brad Freakin' Johnson.
So what about the running back position? 2002 comes and goes and its clearly evident Emmit is on the decline...so they cut him during the off-season and the 2003 draft looks like this:
2003 Draft
1 Terence Newman CB Kansas State
2 Al Johnson C Wisconsin
3 Jason Witten TE Tennessee
4 Bradie James LB LSU
6 B.J. Tucker CB Wisconsin
6 Zuriel Smith WR Hampton
7 Justin Bates G Colorado
Hmm...I don't see a RB on that list but Al Johnson sure made one hell of a contribution...But no fear, they have the TWO-HEADED MONSTER of Darren Hambrick and Richie Anderson. Giving up two first-round picks for Joey Galloway sure was a good move. But once again, no fear, they still had a second round pick in '04 for Julius Jones. From 2000 to 2003, the only RB they draft is Michael Wiley in the 5th round in 2000. Did that guy even play here?
Then there's the OL. What's going on there? He just thinks that average free agents are going to be on the market every year to overpay? Fischer, you know this...an offensive line takes a while to establish chemistry and to be one of the best (see the line during the Jimmy years). He goes and throws a but-load of money at Marco Rivera, Mark Columbo, and now Leonard Davis. Rivera and Columbo sure have been good pick-ups...let's hope Davis can do the same ***sarcasm***. The only lineman Jerry has drafted this century who has turned out to be worth a damn is Gurode. BTW, no sarcasm, I think Jerry made a good move, for once, in resigning him to a long-term deal. Before Gurode, you have to go back to 1998 in Flozell to find the next lineman drafted who has made a contribution. While he's at it, I know of a former Chicago Bear lineman (who will remain nameless) that's looking for work...
Jerry just has his head up his ass. Yes, it is easy to second-guess some moves, but most you could first-guess. Some have been a risk that half the GMs would make and half wouldn't. But some have just been ridiculously absurd. Throwing a kajillion-billion dollars at an idiot kicker??? Bad move from the get-go. If he can't kick under pressure in a dome, how is he going to fare in at least 11 regular season games outside? Like I've said before, as an owner, you won't find anyone better. But I think too many people are making a mistake in combining his track record as an owner and a GM. What he's done as a GM is nothing more than what Jon Hart did with the Rangers. I'll at least give Hart some credit for running his team into the ground while spending his days in the clubhouse at Dallas National and not in his office for 18 hours a day. If Jerry worked half as much as he did now as a GM, the team would not be any worse.
Good morning to ya.
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Post by P. Marf on May 13, 2007 3:01:36 GMT -5
I may think about reading this tomorrow.
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Post by cowtownmike on May 14, 2007 7:07:24 GMT -5
Once again, hindsight is always 20/20.
Upon further review of that 2003 class you are dogging, I see 3 starters out of the top 4 picks, including one Pro Bowler in round 3. Pretty good draft if you ask me.
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Post by fischer on May 14, 2007 9:33:31 GMT -5
Took the words out of my mouth Cowtown. You just proved my point Stubbs.
And, by the way, those losses you are speaking of...that is what Sean Payton was talking about, he doesn't see how they lost those games with the talent they had (which was enough to win the super bowl per the New Orleans Head Football Coach). Remember, Jerry is not the coach. He is in charge of getting the talent there, which evidently (according to some people who know a lot more than you do) he did a great job of last year.
So you can doubt all you want. You can continue to think that you, a loan person, know more than the NFL Coach of the Year, a 3 Time Super Bowl Champion GM and Owner, and every other expert in the league who all say that Dallas had the pieces to be a championship calliber team.
I bet you can look at ANY GM's draft history and choose a list of bad picks. If it was a sure thing, people like you could be GMs. There is no science to it. Some turn out good, others flop.
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Post by fischer on May 14, 2007 9:37:37 GMT -5
It took you two weeks to come up with that?
nice.
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